Israeli-Palestinian conflict, civil war, Syrian, Iranian nuclear Libyan revolution, intervention in northern Mali. Many cases in which the ultra destroyer of duty to intervene, Rony Brauman, displays positions that clash.

Humanitarian action Figure, Rony Brauman, founder of Doctors  Without Border France, where he is still active.
Born in Jerusalem in 1950, he claims Israeli citizenship, but he does not have the nationality. He dissociates the Jewish state dissociates into the two concepts, the second drawing  community distinctions. “I have not been back to Israel since the government requires me to enter with an Israeli passport, he said. With such a document, I can not go into the occupied territories. And I refuse to go to Israel if I can not go in the Territories. ”

Author of several essays, he distinguished himself by his warnings about the dangers of having interference. A position that has resulted in a real duel of intellectuals with the French philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy on the Libyan issue in 2011.

Jeune Afrique: How do you react to granting Palestine the status of observer state at the UN?
Rony Brauman: This is good news. This will deal with the Israelis occupying their status in a country recognized and no longer “disputed territories”, as they like to say. This will enable the Palestinians to get face-to-face sterile in which they are trapped and their claims to the UN, where they have many supporters. Must obviously stop relying on Washington, clearly the Israeli side to play the referee. Recognition of Palestine, though incomplete, goes in this direction.

The cease-fire in Gaza between Hamas and Israel, it is the failure of the policy of peaceful negotiation? It is indeed a failure of policy of Fatah and the Palestinian Authority (PA), who renounced armed struggle and have received in exchange the continued expansion of settlements. Israeli policy has always been to marginalize progressive nationalists to seek face-to-face with the Islamists. By military, political, economic, Israelis have literally walked the AP to anchor the idea that they had no partner for peace. This is one of their major slogans: we want peace, but it takes two for it. Tel Aviv’s strategy is to declare what are its legitimate interlocutors. Considering one hand Hamas as a terrorist organization, another AP like a ghost without legitimacy, both the invalid and close the door on negotiations.

The West also considers Hamas a terrorist movement …

This is insane, even though I do not believe in a military solution to the conflict: the intifada was a disaster and many Palestinians recognize. However, an occupied people have the right to defend themselves. Self-defense is an indisputable notion, enshrined in all the texts present in all heads and which can not oppose. Use violence against Israelis is a political and strategic mistake – given the relationship of forces completely unbalanced in favor of Israel and its terrible human consequences – but consider Hamas as a terrorist because he defends is another . Especially since he has made it clear several times that he accepted the existence of Israel within the 1967 borders. Hamas must be one of the speakers Israelis.

What else does the peace camp in Israel?

There is always a peace camp consisted of people more moderate than those in power. They receive support measured. Meretz, which advocates the solution of two separate states, received only 2.5% of the seats in the legislative elections of 2009. There is also the extreme left those proposing the creation of a Palestinian-Israeli confederation: the solution of the single state, binational. Spontaneously, I am inclined to this form of confederation, which formalize a fact, of course with equal civil, political, social for the entire population. Unfortunately, time is the overall shrinkage identity. De facto, it is a binational state that is built, but under worse auspices with the establishment of an apartheid situation.

Can we expect progress to Obama’s second term?

Nothing has been done for the first … Hope we can still do it and there is a little forced, the Americans are the only ones to have an influence on the Israelis. Unfortunately, despite the barely concealed antipathy for Netanyahu Obama, support for the Jewish state has never been stronger and strengthens the Israeli Prime Minister’s intransigence. And international opinion against Israel is deflected so that the United States remains his only friends and protectors. It is very unwise for Israel to base its existence and security on a single ally, while many signs that even the United States the strength of this alliance is crumbling, including among American Jews more and more distant from the state and sectarian violence.

What is your position on the Syrian conflict?

My perspective covers two different aspects. I wish first of all to see that the majority of the opposition, having long played the popular mobilization and self-defense, abandoned this strategy to the choice of open warfare. Armed struggle selects the most violent, the most radical and promotes frightens a number of people who end up taking refuge in the wait. My sympathy goes to those who reject opponents in a single movement dictatorship and armed struggle, and which are, unfortunately, not considered by our media and politicians. Another important point is the requirement of immediate departure of Bashar al-Assad asked by Westerners. Establish a prerequisite that will never be accepted, it is sign for war. The key for me is that the current policy resume, with or without Bashar. That this tyrant is ultimately expelled from office, I could only be satisfied with all the people who hope for a democratic solution in Syria.

Israel’s position on the Iranian nuclear program is legitimate? Israel, which has triggered a spiral of nuclearization in the Middle East, also with the help of France is the latest country founded to defend such a position. Iran was attacked by the British suffered a coup orchestrated by the CIA in 1953, was attacked by a coalition of US-French interposed by Iraqis, but Iran went to war with anyone. I have no sympathy for the mullahs and all my support goes to the opponents of the green revolution, but even among these, many supports Iran’s right to develop nuclear and sanctuaries in its territory in order to guard against attack. As with Iraq in 2003, Iran has made the problem. And the solution is to attack. When one sees the world as a set of nails, we did not mind that other tools hammer and tongs, but in politics it should be the exception, and the opposite should be the

rule. We do not parachute democracy, we do not require bombs.

(de g. à dr), Bernard-Henri Lévy, Nicolas Sarkozy, Mahmoud Jibril et David Cameron, le 15 septembre 2011, à Tripoli.

© Éric Feferberg/AFP

You have detonated in the media denouncing the intervention in Libya …

The Libyan adventure is itself part of a media manipulation characterized. Decided what Sarkozy and Obama was the air strafing protesters in Tripoli February 21, false information broadcast by Al-Jazeera on the basis of a simple telephone testimony. Yet there has been no demonstrations in Tripoli and even fewer aircraft strafing the crowd. No mainstream media has deigned to make any verification. The first page of the story of Bernard-Henri Lévy War begins without loving it: Then Cairo to support the Arab Spring is about to return to France when he sees on the screens of the airport aircraft to attack the crowd dive. He makes it clear that the importance of an event is the beginning. At right: this beginning-there has not occurred, it was a huge assembly propagandist, and set the tone for the future. Other manipulation: Benghazi, where the rebellion is part, was not within the scope of the threat of annihilation. Which saw columns of tanks that have been talked about so much? Person. The rebellious city was then completely build a position of strength. Subsequently, the National Transitional Council (CNT) could appeal to various mediators who proposed, such as Niger, Senegal and Turkey. But everything has been done for the option of war is the first resort. This war was decided in the early days of the uprising in Benghazi and was made its justifications (massacres, rape) and no one bothers to check.

What motivated this war?     

Sarkozy could only furious at having been tricked by Kaddafi: all contracts Rafale, EPR, big-French strategic partnership Libyan Africa were a deception. There is first of all feeling, quite justified, that had French President Nicolas Sarkozy have been fooled by Gaddafi: all contracts Rafale, EPR, big-French strategic partnership Libyan Africa were a deception. Sarkozy could only be furious. The second reason is its second session from the Arab Spring. I shared also not all accusations addressed to the then government of ignoring the arrival of the Arab Spring. I saw in these reproaches intelligence hindsight always easy, and cunning of imperial thinking. It is indeed not in France or the West to open the doors of the rule of law to the people. It is the Arabs that it was to be released, the role of democratic countries is to show their support for these movements. Third reason: to engage in a war probably very victorious for a cause that is almost indisputable – stop the massacres committed by the tyrant more isolated area – was to ensure the success of esteem and entry in history whose dream any head of state.

Are you also unfavorable to French intervention on the side of African troops in northern Mali?

Can quite bring aid to a sovereign who asks: is not evil in itself. But if that request help Malians is not provided, is that there is a situation coup. American rule, which is not the worst, in principle prohibits help an army coup. And beyond the coup, we must ask who is in charge in this country. Mali is currently living in a state of dissolution, and in the absence of a reliable political pole, any military enterprise is doomed to failure. All over Syria and Libya especially I felt isolated, as what I think about Mali joined what most experts say political, economic and military: it must give a little color and substance to the Malian government, which will not happen overnight. Resume Timbuktu, Gao and Kidal should not be complicated, but it is the famous day after that poses a problem if there is not a state, a set integrator, this day will be one of a disaster.