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I was responding to a note posted on my tagline on facebook, and I though that was better to respond on a Note because long comments are tedious and I decided to complete my response with photos and links to the appropriate sites that are redundant to the article, so I do not have to write the same material.
Sorry Anna OLeary I have to do it this way to comment on the article you tagged me few days ago. I always write what I feel and what I understand, and this is my feeling and understanding of the issues at hand.
Anna O’Leary, I finished reading the article, I found to contains the same Greta Berlin issue that was played over and over on the internet while the Estelle was sailing toward Gaza.
I have insisted that Greta Berlin did not have nothing to apologize to no one.
I insisted that every one was giving too much importance to the Twitt that if left alone at the first instigation from National Post article by Tristan Hopper will dilute
When Ali Abuminah wrote his article on October 6, we saw it as an attempt to quiet Israel hurt sensitivities, to me the twitt and the video did not have importance at all, if all Palestinian activists should had ignored as an ignorant piece of journalism, and no less than that everything would have been fine. Because on all truth, there was nothing wrong with posting a video and a tag on a group or personal wall. We still have freedom of expression and if some people did not like it, that was their problem.
Some people in the Palestinian Solidarity Movement was acting as if they were to be more sensitive for Israel sensitives than for Palestinians Plight.
The apology of Greta Berlin or statement that she made public it made the things worse, because she was telling the world that she was wrong, when in reality she did nothing wrong.
The video of Erasmus Mullins, and the Title “Nazi Zionist Alliance (NA+ZI) to Create Israel Through Holocaust” are not Anti Semitic in nature. Israel in its history has re draw history to its convenience and every Scholar in the world that taught history has gone alone with the deception, except for few brave that resist to teach lies.
“Zionists are not the Jewish People, but a group using Zionism as a shield. The facade is to make you blame the Jews.
This video is NOT anti-Jewish. Please do not Flag out of ignorance”
You have to go beyond the Authorized Israel history to entertain other plausible possibilities, other buried stories, we should know that data was destroyed during the fall of Germany. The huge Anti German propaganda to win the war. We must put into perspective all those ingredients in the story, then we can have a more understanding of what the Video of Erasmus Mullins want to give us.
I have been writing about this issue since it came out on facebook, I have been posting in every ones wall, and all seems to ignore my opinion, Oh well!. You are tagging me on your Note and I take the liberty to express my opinion.
I wrote a long letter to Gilad Atzmon dressed as a comment and was ignored. I hope that I m not giving myself too much importance and thinking that he has to read what I have to say, he probably it is too busy to even read comments. Well I do not know, but I giving my opinion on the matter any way. He is my friend in facebook after all, so that give me the freedom to write in his wall when he post material that it is public.
This article that you are bringing here is just repetition of the same material already posted by Gilad and other sites, which I believe has made the matter worse for Greta Berlin or maybe she got to be in the News and the book Sailors sold more copies, and if that was the case I will say …well done, but for the Anti Semitic rhetoric, we all know is not truth…
Myself agree with much of the video, I do not blame “The Jews”, I blame the Zionists bankers, so I will never have to apologize for something I do believe could had happened.
Now regarding Trade Not Aid, I agree 100 percent on it, I doubts that will be successful, when we think about it, while Israel control the whole region surrounding Palestine, what assure us that the Trade will be permitted. Well unless is done thru the tunnels. I support Ken O’keefe with his Trade Not Aid for Gaza and spoke about it with him and I understand perfectly his idea. But the only way to know if will work, we have to try first. So I support Ken on that.
Regarding Anne Wright uninviting, I think due to the controversy on every Palestinian News, facebook wall, and Israel supporters outlet at the end I thought that The Estelle distancing from now from The Free Gaza Movement was a good political move, because after all The Free Gaza Movement which Greta Berlin Co- founded also published an Apology and distanced themselves also from Greta Berlin issue, so I think it was just a good move. Read the opinion of
Off course would have been good that none of this had happened, and that Anne Wright would have been in the Estelle, but it happened this way and there is nothing we can do to change the fact, except that we know more about the people involved in the Palestinian Movement.
This is my feeling and my opinion on the matter. There was no mistake from Greta Berlin, I do not see why we have to play into the “diplomatic” card with Israel. They deserve no respect, no apology.
Jews around the world by now, I hope they understand the farce play on their shoulders, they were victims of a twisted joke to create an entity that could be used as the center power of the world, using the Bible as a tool for the promise land.
And to end I will say that the Palestinian Solidarity movement is stronger than ever. Few people as important as they are, they are only part of the Palestinian Solidarity Movement but they are not all the Movement.
We are thousands around the world, maybe millions supporting Palestine in one way or another. If we are not in the cameras does not make us less important and subject to omission.
I do not think that the Palestine Movement is divided. But I think that some persons in the Movement are dividing the solidarity movement with their public statements. Those publications are indeed trying to force us to take sides, and that is the problem.
We all are important as long as we work for the Palestinian cause, for Justice, for Truth and Peace, but the moment that we as persons take the center stage then something is wrong with us, not with the Palestinian movement.
We need to put Palestine First, we are not important in this movement, we are just part of the Palestinian Solidarity Movement.
Rosa Schiano Stay Human, from Italy moved to Gaza to be witness of Israel atrocities.
Thousands of Palestinians supporters by now had been in West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza and are living witnesses for history regarding Israel occupation.
Nora Fernandez from Argentine right now in Gaza supporting the effort of Internationals to bring awareness to the world.
Rachel Corrie RIP was part of the International Solidarity Movement, and she put the cause first even in risk of her life.
Vittorio Arrigoni RIP was part of the Palestine Solidarity Movement and move to Gaza to fight for the cause .
Ken O’keefe moved to Gaza to be part help raise awareness of Gaza situation to the world.
Every day thousands of Palestinians and internationals risk their lives in front of IDF protesting the Wall, protecting the farmers, protecting the fishermen of Gaza, walking children to school.
Please no body tell me that the Palestinian Solidarity Movement is divided and weak.
I Think the Palestinian Solidarity Movement is stronger than ever.
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I chose this article because analyses all point of view, I invite you to read it first, then read the other articles if you deem pertinent to do so, this way you do not prejudge none of the activists.
Henry Norr calls the decision of the Estelle, the boat that is now making its way to Gaza to challenge the Israel siege, to disinvite Ann Wright, “sheer madness”, and “guilty by association”. This language is both wrong and false. I am not on or associated with the Estelle, and regardless of what I see as right, I support the autonomy of the people on the Estelle, given the nature of what they are doing, to refuse individual sail companions without having to justify it. Within reason and respect, we can speculate on or criticize their decisions and I will, but Norr’s article goes well outside of both reason and respect. To begin, howecer, some analysis of the fault lines on which people fall on this matter bear examinations. Estelle and the Freedom of Association by Gabriel Ash
On 30 September a tweet was made from the official Twitter account of the Free Gaza Movement (@freegazaorg) which stated “Zionists Ran the Holocaust and the Concentration Camps.”……Casting Doubt on Greta Berlin Statement
Last week, Ali Abunimah, editor of a blog called “Electronic Intafada” published a letter cosigned by a group of moderately to well known “activists” quite violently attacking Gilad Atzmon of Veterans Today. …..VT Exclusive: Atzmon-Palestinian Infighting Reveals Underbelly of Gutless Duplicity
And The Video that you must watch before you make any judgement to anything, and when you watch the video, you must go back in history and revise the official story of everything that was imprinted, because as we say, history is full of his-story, her-story, their-story, my- story and the truth.
I say there is a story behind history and we must find the truth. Official stories fit the establishment of the time.
All this article is for safe keeping, for my records only…
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John Jones Marivel, you are correct in your comments about Greta Berlin having NO need to apologize. There was no reason. Everyone should know that she has more than proven herself as a sincere, dedicated and effective supporter of Palestine/Palestinians. You are correct, also, in your characterization of Ali Abunimah. Why is he so concerned about defending or protecting Zionazi Israel’s sensitivities??? What is the reasoning behind having to be respectful of or to an entity that has shown zero regard or respect for Palestinians (or for all non-Zionists for that matter). Abunimah may consider it politically correct (your term is the “political card”), but he doesn’t think or act for all supporters of Free Palestine. While it is, of course, possible to inadvertently damage a cause, I believe that sincere justice-seekers have no intentions to divide or harm efforts to help Palestinians. So, who the fuck is Abunimah to denigrate other legitimate activists?? His actions/comments against Greta (and demonstrated previously in his rally against Gilad Atzmon) are every bit as divisive and damaging as what he claims he opposes and what he complains about. Israel deserves no respect. Israel has it’s own trained army of apologists. No apologies need be given to Israel … or, for that matter, anyone who supports Israel. Every person that is concerned about the Palestinian struggle helps in their own way … even if it’s only to share a story or a bit of information that would be otherwise not presented in the Zionazi-controlled media. Please don’t tell Ali Abunimah that I say “Zionazis”, because he won’t like that I’m insulting or disrespecting Israel. -
Hani Siliman Salamah thank You Akashma Marivel Guzman for Amazing Article . shared ….I will inbox you as soon as possible -
Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsRacists and bigots do not belong in Palestinian solidarity, they taint it and destroy its credibility, making it no better than zionists. When will O’Keefe disendorse white supremacist David Duke? Berlin has been discredited by her own acts, as has Atzmon. Wake up folks. Palestinian leaders have said they want no racism or bigotry in their movement. -
Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friends122 leading Palestinians say “we call on people around the world to join us in a morally consistent stance that opposes racism and bigotry in all forms. An ethical struggle for justice and equal rights in any context entails zero tolerance for racial discrimination and racism anywhere.”
Get with the programme, and keep racist and bigoted opportunists away from Palestinian solidarity.
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Robby Martin Label’s are created to discredit, from conspiracy theorists to Anti-Semite. When people speak out or oppose the ruling elite they get “labelled” to discredit them so as their opinions seem unworthy. The lines of Anti-Semitism are becoming increasingly blurred with the ADL now defining Anti-Semitism as including criticizing Israel and zionism. The pro Palestinian movement should not allow itself fall into this trap. Israel is a state not a race, zionism is an ideology not a race so criticizing either is not racist never mind Anti-Semitic. -
Gail Baker great message Marivel ! in solidarity for Palestine! simple as that! -
Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsPeople who make racist or bigoted statements are racists or bigots. What’s so hard to understand?
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Sylvia Posadas Hi dear!, I agree with the Statement you citing from from Ali Abumininah article, about the 122 leading Palestinians signing on it, but I do not agree that article linking this statement to an event that has nothing to do with bigotry, racism. I have followed the whole argument from A to Z, since the twitte and the video were posted, and I find the Video very enlighten. It is a sign of wisdom to entertain ideas without accepting them.
In the Palestinians Solidarity Movement we are interested to bring Justice and Peace to Palestine. In this equation Israel is the guilty side of the story. They are the criminals that are using the Jews as a shield to commit their crimes with impunity in the name of “Jew victim hood” …
Ali Abuminah has no right to call on other activists to sign on “his view of the event”, …We all have the right to post what we want, without having to give explanations to Israel and its supporters.
I like Abu Abuminah and his electronic intifada as long as he use it for the Palestine cause, not to apace Israel and its supporters. -
Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsAntisemitic videos such as the one you like, Marivel, are unhelpful to the Palestinian cause. I’m defriending you now because you are taking the side of racists and bigots and not taking a firm stand in support of respected Palestinians.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman I care less for your friendship when you taking the side of people that are more worry for Israel than for Palestinians..
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsI’m taking Palestinians’ side, Marivel, not racists who pretend to be in solidarity with them.
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Karen MacRae · 27 mutual friendsWhat a giant wall of racist text. Who wrote this crap and why do they hate Palestinians? -
Akashma Marivel Guzman Well then you should revisit the whole Stupid twitt event…worthless piece of anything, that Ali Abuminah, make big big..siding with this with the zionists hasbaras that work for Israel..
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Akashma Marivel Guzman and regarding the Video, I have researched thousands of microfilms in the Digital Library, and read almost 100 books on the subject of the Video, and I agree in almost 99 % of what Eustace Mullins Said….just because Israel supporters said that he is Anti Semite does not make him one..
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Now days the people get sided with Other people without really searching on the matters themselves.. I for one do not side with people..I side with Palestine
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsNoting that Marivel is incapable of discerning Mullins’ antisemitism. No surprise.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman And who say so..You or Israel?…
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsIt’s you who are doing the zionists’ work for them, Marivel, by granting quarter to racism and bigotry.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Are you repeating Israel rhetoric, or you read all the works of Eustace Mullins…and come to the conclusion that he is Anti Semite?…
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsI’m noting your familiarity with Mullins, Marivel, and your inability to deplore his bigotry.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Is that what you think of me, then go away from my wall…and do not come back…..
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsIt’s not like Mullins is ashamed of his antisemitism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustace_Mullins
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Akashma Marivel Guzman WOW Sylvia Posadas.. You are finding your answers in Wikipedia?..My dear, that is a Zio School of Though…
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Here have some fun, read real information.. Not structured by Israel.
Section I. “The Constitution”
It has been urged that the expression “a national home for the Jewish people” offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty‘s Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognized that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration.
https://akashmanews.com/2012/07/27/british-white-paper-1939/akashmanews.com
The British White Paper aimed to bring a clear definition of the policy and obje…See More -
Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsWikipedia is zionist now. The antisemitic conspiracists never cease to amaze.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman “At the beginning of 1935, a passenger ship set sail from Bremerhaven, Germany, to Haifa in Palestine. The ship’s name—Tel Aviv—was painted in Hebrew letters on the starboard bow. Yet the flag fluttering over the vessel bore the Nazi swastika. There was a similar paradox regarding the ship’s
owners and its crew. The Tel Aviv’s owner was a German Jew, and a leading figure of Zionist movement in German lands. The captain, however, was a member of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi Party).
Decades later, one of the passengers on that voyage would interpret the situation as a “metaphysical absurdity.” Yet the Nazi-radical Zionist collaboration symbolized by the Tel Aviv was no contradiction. On the contrary, the ship was just one small example of a reality that writers of the official history have taken great pains to conceal from us.” Harun Yahya – The Violence of the Holocaust -
Akashma Marivel Guzman Look for yourself Sylvia in your own Wiki
In May 2007, Hasbara Fellowships (co-sponsored by the Israeli Foreign Ministry) called for volunteers to counter a “dangerous trend” of Wikipedia entries portraying Israel in a “negative light”. Interested readers were encouraged to consider “joining a team of Wikipedians to make sure Israel is presented fairly and accurately”.[7][8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara_Fellowships
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsThere’s a reasonable deconstruction of Mullins’ pathetic conspiracy theory on the Fed reserve here: http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/flaherty5.html
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsOf course, O’Keefe shares this ridiculous conspiracist belief as well.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Read the originals documents that lead him to write his books,..mostly from the Library of Congress, where was researcher…and from documents from the digital library of any main library……..He was hunt by the government (bankers) for his revelations…
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Read the British White paper that I m citing in Akashma..it is original document from 1939, there is also the British white paper of 1918…
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Akashma Marivel Guzman There is the book I just cite to you previous, with testimonies from witnesses of the time, where documents were cross checked…They called conspiracy when they challenge the “official” story…eventually all the conspiracies has been proven truth…almost all of them so far..,
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsMarivel, you can’t sanitise Mullins’ bigotry by referring to other sources. Do the Palestinians a favour and get a clue. Reject antisemitism, it belongs to the zionist side.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Subscribe yourself to the library of congress, or too any University and you can also access most of the official documents that now are declassified, ..when he access those he had direct access because he was working there, he has friends..
What can I say, I have been researcher for few years now..once you start digging in history, you can not stop..you keep reading…
I m sorry, nobody is trying to make him Saint…I do not agree with some of the points of his works, Like blaming “Jews” as a group…and not just the Radical Political Zionism…but most of his works I agree with…..you get a clue…you belong to the Zionist Side…you do not even entertain the idea of finding the truth… -
Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friends‘Like blaming “Jews” as a group.’ – yeah, that’s classical antisemitism. Mullins belongs to the zionist side, with all the other conspiracy nuts.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman The only Anti Semitics are the Israeli and its supporters..
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Akashma Marivel Guzman and you insist on defending the other side of the story…Israel side of the story…..Eustace Millins was on the other side,,and So am I…and I do not care if people call me Anti Semitic because I read authors that Israel branded Anti Semitcs…….
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsActually, there’s a lot of useful idjits who claim to be in solidarity with Palestinians who are rabid antisemites as well, and hover round the cause because they hate jews. They do the zionists’ work for them.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman I know few of them…
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Akashma Marivel Guzman and I stay away from themm
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsMarivel, it isn’t just Israel who defines antisemitism. When people are grouped in boxes all the better to throw rocks at them, as Mullins does, we learn that white supremacists define antisemitism as well.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman I do not hate nobody….I do not care whose religion or race people is ….I do care for Palestine..and Justice ..and thats all..
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Akashma Marivel Guzman and I will fight my way, until my children can go freely to Palestine without being interrogated for 14 hours in a room..
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Akashma Marivel Guzman and It final Sylvia..My opinions matter to me..and I do not get to easy to them…..
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Akashma Marivel Guzman So please if you insist in calling me Zionist worker, please go away from my wall…I do not need people to come to tell me how I m going to activate for Palestine……
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsThe more people admit racism and bigotry into Palestinian solidarity, the more sustenance they give to the zionists, who use it to discredit the movement. Conspiracy thinking, racism and bigotry have no part to play in human rights movements.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman I really wish you have your own opinions and not Ali Abuminah wordings..
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsYou have a problem with people sharing the rational views of respected Palestinians, do you, Marivel? why is this so?
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Please go away, I do not want you to come back to my wall..I ask you politely..Please do not come to my wall…I m not racist, and bigotry belong to people that do not know what they are fighting for, today they support the Palestinian cause, tomorrow they support an Activist…..my problem is people like you…that insist on forcing your opinion…what you believe to be the truth…it is you..and only you..and you can not come to tell me that I have to change my opinion because you say so……
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Rational???? what you call rational respected Palestinians?…Respected Palestinians do not gang to attack others. like Ali is doing…I donot like his tactics..and you have no opinion on your own, but repeating what Ali Abuminah writes……..So please again, very politely ask you…Do not come back to my wall….Thanks for the conversation was very instructive >>>It is noted that you like baseless arguments as a defense….Good night Sylvia ..which by the way..it give me chills to see a Rat on my wall…….
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsIt seems to me, Marivel, that it is you who is rejecting the views of respected Palestinians and those who share their principled positions.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman Those are their views, not mine..I do not like their views..Actually I do not think those 122 Respected Palestinians knew what they were signing….Ali Abuminah..have problems with other activists, as I seen it too often…I do not like the his tactic…and for respected Palestinian views, I have my own view…and They are respected Palestinian views also…they are different..sorry big world..
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Akashma Marivel Guzman And I see you deleted me and you keep coming to my wall, that tells me that you like me…you like my conversation..OH well..nothing I can do…My wall is open for all opinions…ok..you can come back…
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Karen MacRae · 27 mutual friendsit is indeed a big world. But I have no idea why a big world means you have to excuse obvious racism. Or what that has to do with anything. Obviously Ali Abunimah knew what he was signing. What an absolute ludicrous statement. He’s not an illiterate and obviously can spot a racist a mile away. So sad most of the commenters here seem to struggle with a very basic concept.
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Karen MacRae · 27 mutual friendsAnyway, you just keep supporting this racist nonsense and when it’s all said and done, the history books won’t be good to you. And you’ll live with this the rest of your life as well as live with the public shame.
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friends“Actually I do not think those 122 Respected Palestinians knew what they were signing”
What an incredibly white supremacist, patronising point of view.
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Akashma Marivel Guzman OH Bravo Sylvia ..you brought cheer leaders! …what a wonderful conversation…follow the leader, leader.. ladies …I need to go sleep..but if you come back tomorrow, we can discuss more white supremacist point of views, and more Anti Semitic Rhetoric..now..if you allow me…I need to rest…Good night..Karen and Sylvia…
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Akashma Marivel Guzman And bring more people, we can make a party.
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Ursula Keller · Friends with Yani Haigh and 17 othersThe discussion should ONLY be about the best way to reach a mutual goal…..and NOT about the “intentions of others”, as these can only be assumed. The discussions about Gilad, Greta and Ken are ridiculous, as all of them have proven to support the palestinian cause in the most serious way.Even, if one might not always agree on the “best way to succeed”, to label them as bigots, antisemites is stupid , unintelligent and unjustified . The fear about “how to be perceived by others” obviously in some people is much stronger than the feeling of loyality and solidarity.May this be “induced” or simply a trait of personal insecurity….it is counterproductive at a moment where even more courage and solidarity would be needed. -
Brian Curdy · Friends with John Jones and 12 othersEnd the blockade. End the occupation and apartheid. Abolish or abandon the racialist (zionist) notion of a “Jewish” (ethnocentric) state. Demilitarize the region. Cut US military aid to the illegitimate zionist entity that has been outside of international law for over 60 years. Remove illegal nuclear weapons and stop zionist nuclear weapons production under the supervision of the IAEA (Vienna), Restore the right of return to Palestinian refugee populations. FREE PALESTINE NOW !! -
Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friends‘The discussions about Gilad, Greta and Ken are ridiculous’
Of course people who make excuses for racism and bigotry try to throw the discussion away from them. Sorry, no banana. People who embrace racism and bigotry have no part to play in human rights movements. No matter how their apologists whine and scream, they cannot sweep this simple fact under the carpet.
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Ursula Keller · Friends with Yani Haigh and 17 othersSylvia…you are claiming the monopoly for deciding about the “racist” character of a person ? You are not even willing to change arguments,to take the whole range of people’s activities , past statements/actions into account ?.The whole “history” doesn’t matter anymore, if you find something, which sounds suspicious ? I would rather say, people with such simple views of other human beings are no valuable representatives for human rights movements.
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsUrsula, are you saying you are unable to understand what is racist and bigoted about Eustace Mullins, David Duke and Atzmoan’s drivel? those who give these a free pass on the backs of the Palestinian solidarity movement are contemptible.
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Ursula Keller · Friends with Yani Haigh and 17 othersI cannot find any racism in Gilad’s publications (don’t know though, what drivel means ).His analysis is bright,totally logic and courageous. I deeply respect Greta for her long and effective engagement. ONE fault doesn’t change that…and it doesn’t make her a racist, or would it reveal any “long hidden racism” :)Concerning Ken, I would like to know more about HIS arguments…..so far…again,I cannot detect any racism in HIS work. One has to be careful, when judging others….and analyse with intellectual integrity.
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsSo, Ursula, you don’t find Atzmoan’s distaste for Jewishness as ‘racially supremacist’ problematic? you don’t find Greta’s embrace of Yani “jews suck” Haigh a problem either? and you don’t think Ken’s embrace of the white supremacist David Duke a problem?
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Ursula Keller · Friends with Yani Haigh and 17 othersSylvia…you may argue with Gilad about his book. Look at his analysis and his arguments….tell him, you think, they are not logic…and prove it to him via argument. It is NOT enough to NOT like the outcome of an analysis. Whom Greta and Ken are “embracing” that is their business, as long, as they do not act in a racist way themselves. One can critically discuss these things in a movement, which exists of many complex personalities, but has no right to dismiss somebody with a long history of brave engagement for these kind of accusations.
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsUrsula, perhaps you don’t realise that who one endorses taints oneself. Atzmon has touted Holocaust deniers. You don’t find his view of ‘Jewishness’ as ‘racially supremacist’ problematic, so I doubt you are capable of working out why his pseudo-philosophy is racist in the first place. His system of black box bigotry, which attempts to disguise his antisemitic views by claiming he’s only impugning ‘jewishness’ is pathetic. If one says one dislikes ‘blackness’ and not ‘blacks’ do we really take such an individual at their word? Ken O’Keefe has brazenly endorsed white supremacist David Duke and follows the Mullins antisemitic blaming of the world’s woes on Rothschilds and the Fed Reserve conspiracies. Greta has called Ali Abunimah racist names which along with her several changing stories in her desperate attempt to cover up her posting of racist vids is revolting. We also know that her behaviour is far from unusual in the the groups she frequents, and in particular due to Bekah Wolf’s and others’ direct observations. I myself have witnessed her tolerating antisemitism on her wall, when Yani ‘Jews suck’ Haigh made the post which delivered his now famous epithet. If people lie down with fleas, they get up with them.
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Gail Baker all this infighting, judging, attacking, is divisive and useless to the Palestinian cause. The whole post is about rising above divisions & differences of opinions. For my own part, I’m not going to judge any of these high profile people because I do not know for certain what the motives or intentions are. & at this point, it shouldn’t be the issue. Now more than ever it’s about support of Palestine, which at the pace Israel is going, will be wiped off the map soon. So focus on this. The movement & the cause is bigger than these few individuals named on the post.
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Sylvia Posadas · 134 mutual friendsGail, those who wish to be in solidarity with Palestinians should put the principles which leading Palestinians embrace before attempting to cover up for vile individuals who leach off them. If racism, bigotry and deceit are not called out, if individuals who practise these are accepted as worthy leaders of Palestinian solidarity, then frankly, the movement becomes no better than the racist zionists who are opposed. No hypocrisy. Demand accountability.
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Ursula Keller · Friends with Yani Haigh and 17 othersSylvia again…where some detect “racism, bigotry and deceit”…others don’t ….We here are not talking about the qualification for a political position, but simply about members of a broad movement, which contains the most different and complex personalities. And I honestly cannot see any qualification on your or Ali’s side to determine, who is “worth” to fight for the palestinian cause and who is not. Gail is 100% right, and I therefore will not discuss this any further.
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Marivel Guzman This is informational videos for Israel supporters, Wake UP. to the Palestinian supporters siding with activists and blinding attacking other activists with out even giving a thought on the information given. Wake UP..you are dividing the Movement, not doing a favor to Palestine or to the world for that matter.
Before you yell Anti-Semitic, and supremacist, please take an hour of your time and watch the video..do not come to conclusions without watching the video, cross checking references, checking peoples works and behavior…Please do not assume you know everything because you watch one video….This is just one of hundred worth watching.
The person being interview is death now (Eustace Mullins RIP), when he was young and stupid he was ignorant and made few statements regarding the Jews, regarding women, and he grew up and dedicated his life to truth and Justice.. To bring us the truth covered by our governments.
The people that he bring out of their dents scream “Anti Semitic”, “Supremacist” …”Racist”…and those three words are used against his work to discredit his long life as historical researcher and eye opener.
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And I m sorry any comment after this video will be deleted, so I ask my friend not to make comments. This is my wall and reserve the rights to delete posted on it. Of course this video for most of the part reflect my own opinions, you do not have to agree with me or the video.
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The late Eustace Mullins and Randy Atkins with Daryl Bradford Smith, December 8, 2005. Dr. Henry Makow in ‘Illuminati, The Cult that Hijacked the World’ (p. …
Follow the Estelle Ship to Gaza
Posted on October 8, 2012 by Akashma Online News
Follow the Estelle Freedom Boat sailing now to Gaza. We call to all the leaders of the world to take a stand for justice, truth and peace. Israel has placed an illegal blockade in Gaza Palestine with the excuse to stop weapons to enter the besieged Gaza Port. We wonder who stop Israel from manufacturing weapons of all calibers even nuclear weapons. Who has an eye on Israel?, Why the UN stay silence on the issue of the illegality of the Blockade and why does not take measures to enforce the Resolutions against Israel.
Please Stand for what is right. Now is the time to take a stand for Justice. Palestine need the voices of all the world to end once and for all the Apartheid Entity that has ravaged the land and the lives of millions Palestinians.
Please activists of peace, all the people that belong to the Solidarity Movement do not forget the Mavi Marmara. More than 2 years and justice has not been brought to the victims of that massacre. Keep raising your voices, do not allow tricks, and minus controversies to take away your attention from Palestine. Every time that there is a mission in the making someone from somewhere start a rumor of no importance what so ever to derail the mission. All Palestinians supporters unite in one voice.
Remember Vittorio Arrigoni, Rachel Corrie and the Palestinian Martyrs every time you read the news and you see nothing about Israel crimes in Palestine, it is our moral duty to make the news for Palestine. Every computer it is weapon against the silence.
Hasbaras get paid to create rumors, don’t give attention to them. We already know those tactics, please do not follow it. If you are Palestinian lover, supporter of Justice and peace leave personal vendettas out of the movement.
Gaza situation is unsustainable and needs to be open to the world. Voluntarism is a moral duty that we all humans feel the necessity to express, we have no obligation but only the love for our fellow human family. From my part I send my gratitude and thanks to all the peace activists that leave the comfort of they everyday life to participate in this global effort to free Gaza.
On Sunday , 2012 The Estelle Ship sailed out from Naples to Gaza, Palestine destination. Against all the odds, that the Boat faces, the crew is optimist that this time, they will brake the illegal Israel blockade of Gaza, that has been in place since 2007 with the silence of the leaders of the world, and the grin of the UN block.
A demonstration that assembled several hundred participants marched through the central parts of the city and then collected in the port where Estelle loaded the last items and completed the last paperwork. An unparallelled atmosphere of festivity reigned, and people danced, sang and cheered uninterruptedly. When the Italian harbor board let us load the 300 footballs that had been stored in Athens for the last year the enthusiasm knew no bounds.
In spite of Israeli pressure to stop Estelle from leaving the port the Italian authorities remained unmovable.
On the previous days the Israel prime Minister trying to bully the Free Gaza voyagers issued an statement on their media.
Reports in the Israeli media refer to a statement from Israel’s Foreign Ministry that Israel has been in touch with the governments that have passengers on board the Estelle. It makes the point that no ship is going to be allowed to approach Gaza. The statement does not define what the word “approach” should be taken to mean. As the Estelle is currently in Italy, the statement can be interpreted as a threat to free movement within the EU. Ship to Gaza is protesting against that threat and is expecting the EU governments to do the same. Ship To Gaza
During the days in Naples the ship protected at all the times. The lessons from the other flotillas still fresh. No saboteurs had found their way to the schooner, but loads of enthusiastic sympathizers did. That Estelle now made out for the last stretch of the 5000 nautic miles from the start in the Baltic Sea does of course not mean that we have reached our goal. The blockade is still there. But the resistance is growing, every hour, every day, every week.
The Estelle crew is composed of people of different nationalities, Swedes, Norwegians, Finns and Israelis, had stated Dror Feiler on of the spokesmen of The Freedom Flotilla: “This is not an action against the Israeli people, but it is a complaint to the policies of their government”. Gold World Italy
“The entire crew focuses on the failure of the institutions and the international community, which have played an insignificant and marginal in an attempt to solve the problem, merely a “quiet diplomacy”. Dror Feiler said also, “how did this project and what caused them to react: “During and after the attacks on Gaza in 2008 and 2009, some people in Stockholm, speaking of these events in a small apartment, about six to eight people , decided it was time to stop signing petitions, and the protests in Sweden, it was time to give up writing articles and make the event, the time had come to act, and so we decided to start our project starting to Gaza. ” The crew is determined to complete his expedition, but will not respond to any kind of provocation, we are prepared to face any kind of situation only through the use of nonviolent methods.”
Naples was the last stop on the mainland before heading to the Gaza blockade. The ship left the port on Sunday afternoon while dozens of people greeted the crew and sang songs, while Dror Feiler, accompanied The Estelle farewell with his saxophone.
The Estelle is an old boat reconstructed ready to sail again thanks to donations from Palestinian’s lovers around the world.
attraverso l’uso di metodi nonviolenti.
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- Photo Credit Giulio Aprin
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- Photo Credit Giulio Aprin
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- Photo Credit Giulio Aprin
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- Photo Credit Giulio Aprin
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- Photo Credit Giulio Aprin
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- Photo Credit Giulio Aprin
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